{"id":1847,"date":"2012-08-27T23:03:37","date_gmt":"2012-08-28T04:03:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/?p=1847"},"modified":"2012-08-28T10:29:54","modified_gmt":"2012-08-28T15:29:54","slug":"saw-hang-revision","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/2012\/08\/27\/saw-hang-revision\/","title":{"rendered":"Saw hang revision"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1848\" title=\"IMG_0783_edited-2\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/IMG_0783_edited-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"510\" height=\"234\" \/><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">The saw pictured in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/2012\/08\/27\/the-hang-of-a-saw\/\" target=\"_blank\">previous post<\/a>, and above, is the Gramercy dovetail saw but that is <strong>not the original handle. <\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">In this blog, I have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/2010\/08\/11\/east-meets-west-my-saws-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">praised<\/a> the Gramercy saw, and I still think <strong>it&#8217;s a great saw.<\/strong> However, the original handle is set rather high &#8211; <strong>a high hang angle<\/strong> &#8211; and I have come to dislike that feature. I understand and respect Joel Moskowitz&#8217; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.toolsforworkingwood.com\/store\/dept\/CGT\/item\/GT-DSAW9.XX\/The_Gramercy_Tools_9%22_Dovetail_Saw\" target=\"_blank\">reasons for designing it that way<\/a> but, partly because I&#8217;ve reworked some of my sawing mechanics, I now find it just does not best suit me. I&#8217;m using a lower stance with my shoulder and elbow more downward.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\"><strong>So, I made a handle<\/strong> from some spare Claro walnut. (In the process, I increased my appreciation of the skill level exhibited by professional tool makers. I needed some shimming to get the fit right.) <strong>In the photo below,<\/strong> the Gramercy handle is placed in its original position, a hang angle of 35\u00b0, for comparison with the 66\u00b0 of the replacement handle. <strong>This is a large difference<\/strong> which, to me, makes the replacement feel significantly better in use. I also like the <strong>beefier grip<\/strong> of the replacement better than the skinnier original.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1849\" title=\"IMG_0772_edited-2\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/IMG_0772_edited-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"510\" height=\"199\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Mark Harrell of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.badaxetoolworks.com\" target=\"_blank\">Bad Axe Tool Works<\/a> deserves most of the thanks for my evolution. I have been using his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.badaxetoolworks.com\/10-inch-dovetail-back-saw.html\" target=\"_blank\">dovetail saw<\/a> this year and <strong>it has become my favorite.<\/strong>\u00a0The hang angle of the Bad Axe is about 61\u00b0 and the tote feels just right in my hand. I outlined its basic shape and adapted the front to fit the Gramercy. As <a href=\"http:\/\/www.badaxetoolworks.com\/10-inch-dovetail-back-saw.html\" target=\"_blank\">Mark explains<\/a>, the hang angle of his saw &#8220;gets you <em>behind<\/em> the push stroke.&#8221; [To be clear, converting the Gramercy saw was not done at the suggestion of, in consultation with, or to the knowledge of Mark. Reading Mark&#8217;s ideas and using his saw were informative, but the responsibility for the conversion is mine alone.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1854\" title=\"IMG_0777_edited-2\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/IMG_0777_edited-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"510\" height=\"233\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small;\">In a future post, I will discuss the Bad Axe saw more, but the summary for now is that <strong>it&#8217;s wonderful. <\/strong><\/span><strong style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small;\">Mark&#8217;s passion for excellence<\/strong><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small;\"> has raised the game for saw making.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Here are <strong>a few more thoughts<\/strong> on saw hang angles:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small;\">The<strong> Disston D-7<\/strong>, pictured below, has an angle of 74\u00b0 which puts <strong>the power more behind the saw,<\/strong> which\u00a0is needed for heavy ripping with an aggressive tooth rake.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" align=\"justify\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1852\" title=\"IMG_0775_edited-2\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/IMG_0775_edited-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"510\" height=\"208\" \/><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>Tilting the wrist<\/strong> can compensate for an undesirable saw hang, <strong>but,<\/strong> as any tennis player knows, the wrist is most firm in its unbent position.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\"><strong>Finally,<\/strong> what is the hang angle of the saw below? Defying just about everything discussed here, the Japanese pull stroke saws demonstrate that there<em><strong> is<\/strong><\/em>\u00a0<strong>more than one good way to do things.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\"><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1853\" title=\"IMG_0774_edited-2\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/IMG_0774_edited-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"510\" height=\"167\" \/><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The saw pictured in the previous post, and above, is the Gramercy dovetail saw but that is not the original handle. In this blog, I have praised the Gramercy saw, and I still think it&#8217;s a great saw. However, the original handle is set rather high &#8211; a high hang angle &#8211; and I have [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1847","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tools-and-shop"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1847","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1847"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1847\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1865,"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1847\/revisions\/1865"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1847"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1847"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rpwoodwork.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1847"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}