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	<title>Comments on: Skew chisels and bachi nomi</title>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/05/13/skew-chisels-and-bachi-nomi/#comment-1370</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Milford,

Thanks for the comment. 

I was not suggesting either chisel for use with through dovetails or with the tails of any type of dovetail. The skew chisels are useful for cleaning out the sockets (pin section of the joint) of half-lap dovetails. 

I agree, the type of chisel that you mentioned is very useful for the acute angle at the sides of tails. I use an old set of Ouchi chisels with that profile. I wrote about this here, with reference to the arinomi chisels available from Hida: 
http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2008/09/28/chopping-dovetails/

And here:
http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2008/09/28/more-on-dovetail-chisels/

I think the arinomi is an under-appreciated style of chisel. And since you&#039;re using them just to chop/clean between tails, you really only need a few narrow sizes. Some woodworkers grind the sides of regular chisels to acheive the same effect.

Thanks again for commenting.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Milford,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. </p>
<p>I was not suggesting either chisel for use with through dovetails or with the tails of any type of dovetail. The skew chisels are useful for cleaning out the sockets (pin section of the joint) of half-lap dovetails. </p>
<p>I agree, the type of chisel that you mentioned is very useful for the acute angle at the sides of tails. I use an old set of Ouchi chisels with that profile. I wrote about this here, with reference to the arinomi chisels available from Hida:<br />
<a href="http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2008/09/28/chopping-dovetails/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2008/09/28/chopping-dovetails/</a></p>
<p>And here:<br />
<a href="http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2008/09/28/more-on-dovetail-chisels/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2008/09/28/more-on-dovetail-chisels/</a></p>
<p>I think the arinomi is an under-appreciated style of chisel. And since you&#8217;re using them just to chop/clean between tails, you really only need a few narrow sizes. Some woodworkers grind the sides of regular chisels to acheive the same effect.</p>
<p>Thanks again for commenting.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Milford Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/05/13/skew-chisels-and-bachi-nomi/#comment-1365</link>
		<dc:creator>Milford Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

Another approach to dovetail corners is with the Japanese dovetail chisels by Masashige, from Hida Tool Co. (hidatool.com).  These are basically straight-sided bevel-edge chisels, but with the bevels ground so that they meet the flat (actually hollowed, in the Japanese style) surface of the chisel, without the customary small vertical surface at each side as on other bevel-edge chisels.  Thus they don&#039;t have to be pushed at an angle, just straight through, perpendicular to the surface of the wood.  The angle of the sides is low enough to clear any of the customary dovetail cuts.  Although I haven&#039;t yet used any of their dovetail chisels, the standard Masashige bench chisels are easy to sharpen, and hold an edge very well, so I would expect the same of the dovetail ones.

Milford</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>Another approach to dovetail corners is with the Japanese dovetail chisels by Masashige, from Hida Tool Co. (hidatool.com).  These are basically straight-sided bevel-edge chisels, but with the bevels ground so that they meet the flat (actually hollowed, in the Japanese style) surface of the chisel, without the customary small vertical surface at each side as on other bevel-edge chisels.  Thus they don&#8217;t have to be pushed at an angle, just straight through, perpendicular to the surface of the wood.  The angle of the sides is low enough to clear any of the customary dovetail cuts.  Although I haven&#8217;t yet used any of their dovetail chisels, the standard Masashige bench chisels are easy to sharpen, and hold an edge very well, so I would expect the same of the dovetail ones.</p>
<p>Milford</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/05/13/skew-chisels-and-bachi-nomi/#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tico,

Most chisel handles will loosen if you hold the chisel by the blade with the handle pointed down, using a grippy glove or pad, and repeatedly whack the handle against a very heavy block of wood. 

These chisels came with a 20 degree bevel which I reground to 27 degrees using the Tormek grinder with the basic Straight Edge Jig (SVH-60) and added a 32 degree secondary honing bevel. Those angles are probably a bit steep for a paring chisel though.

However, in general, I work with a new chisel&#039;s original grind angle to start with and alter it as I gain experience with its edge properties.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tico,</p>
<p>Most chisel handles will loosen if you hold the chisel by the blade with the handle pointed down, using a grippy glove or pad, and repeatedly whack the handle against a very heavy block of wood. </p>
<p>These chisels came with a 20 degree bevel which I reground to 27 degrees using the Tormek grinder with the basic Straight Edge Jig (SVH-60) and added a 32 degree secondary honing bevel. Those angles are probably a bit steep for a paring chisel though.</p>
<p>However, in general, I work with a new chisel&#8217;s original grind angle to start with and alter it as I gain experience with its edge properties.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: tico vogt</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/05/13/skew-chisels-and-bachi-nomi/#comment-1267</link>
		<dc:creator>tico vogt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,

How did you remove the original handles? The replacements you made look very hand-friendly. They look similar to the ones on the Veritas Detail Chisels. When you get new chisels, do you regrind the bevel or use the exising angle on the factory grind? I&#039;m interested in how to  set-up for grinding a precise skew angle.

Best,

Tico</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,</p>
<p>How did you remove the original handles? The replacements you made look very hand-friendly. They look similar to the ones on the Veritas Detail Chisels. When you get new chisels, do you regrind the bevel or use the exising angle on the factory grind? I&#8217;m interested in how to  set-up for grinding a precise skew angle.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Tico</p>
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