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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/04/28/machine-number-two-and-why/#comment-15558</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Thomas,

Thanks for reading.

I think after those first two machines the options become much more divergent based on the type of woodworking one is doing. For most furniture making, I would suggest a jointer, a router and router table, and a table saw. The table saw, while not the first machine to acquire, is a workhorse and can be used safely. 

The main thing is to decide what you want to build, then get the means to build it.

Good luck.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Thomas,</p>
<p>Thanks for reading.</p>
<p>I think after those first two machines the options become much more divergent based on the type of woodworking one is doing. For most furniture making, I would suggest a jointer, a router and router table, and a table saw. The table saw, while not the first machine to acquire, is a workhorse and can be used safely. </p>
<p>The main thing is to decide what you want to build, then get the means to build it.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas O'Reilly</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/04/28/machine-number-two-and-why/#comment-15538</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning Rob
I was following your blog on setting up shop &quot;which machine first&quot; and was wondering when we can expect to read your choice of machine 3 &amp; 4

Regards
Thomas 
Belfast, Northern Ireland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning Rob<br />
I was following your blog on setting up shop &#8220;which machine first&#8221; and was wondering when we can expect to read your choice of machine 3 &amp; 4</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Thomas<br />
Belfast, Northern Ireland</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/04/28/machine-number-two-and-why/#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD,

A situation like yours is just what I had hoped to help with my opinions on machine purchases. There is no single right answer. See www.finewoodworking.com in the Woodworking Life blog where I posted my thoughts and got lots of comments. 

Decide what you want to build and how you would like to work, then buy. My opinions are biased toward original-design furniture making. Good luck.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD,</p>
<p>A situation like yours is just what I had hoped to help with my opinions on machine purchases. There is no single right answer. See <a href="http://www.finewoodworking.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.finewoodworking.com</a> in the Woodworking Life blog where I posted my thoughts and got lots of comments. </p>
<p>Decide what you want to build and how you would like to work, then buy. My opinions are biased toward original-design furniture making. Good luck.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: JDBraddy</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/04/28/machine-number-two-and-why/#comment-2012</link>
		<dc:creator>JDBraddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I found your articles extremely interesting, as I&#039;m currently considering purchasing my first shop tools and have been weighing my options as I am a beginner, who has no experience, no training, and because of that, no idea what I&#039;ll like or end up wanting most to do. However, It left me still not knowing where to go from here. As I stated above, I&#039;m a beginner. So farr, my tools have been limited to the Walmart/Home-Depot variety of inexpensive Circular saw, Jigsaw, Router, and drill. My materials limited to soft pine and cedar lumber from the same. I refuse to resort to making bird-houses and key hangers, and I&#039;ve already built about all the simple shelves and patio furnature I have room for. Of course I&#039;d love to just run out and buy a shop full of 3-5 thousand dollar state of the art tools, but that&#039;s just not my reality. Hell, I can&#039;t bring myself to buy a nice set of clamps, when I can manage to make due with a couple of rusty old 4&quot; C-clamps. Spending $500-$1000 on my first real shop-tool is a very big deal for me. I need that investment to really pay-off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I found your articles extremely interesting, as I&#8217;m currently considering purchasing my first shop tools and have been weighing my options as I am a beginner, who has no experience, no training, and because of that, no idea what I&#8217;ll like or end up wanting most to do. However, It left me still not knowing where to go from here. As I stated above, I&#8217;m a beginner. So farr, my tools have been limited to the Walmart/Home-Depot variety of inexpensive Circular saw, Jigsaw, Router, and drill. My materials limited to soft pine and cedar lumber from the same. I refuse to resort to making bird-houses and key hangers, and I&#8217;ve already built about all the simple shelves and patio furnature I have room for. Of course I&#8217;d love to just run out and buy a shop full of 3-5 thousand dollar state of the art tools, but that&#8217;s just not my reality. Hell, I can&#8217;t bring myself to buy a nice set of clamps, when I can manage to make due with a couple of rusty old 4&#8243; C-clamps. Spending $500-$1000 on my first real shop-tool is a very big deal for me. I need that investment to really pay-off!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/04/28/machine-number-two-and-why/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

Thanks for reading and for the comment.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and for the comment.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/04/28/machine-number-two-and-why/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,

I love your blog. Your&#039;s and the Woodworking Magazine blog are the only ones I read religiously. When I saw the first machine you picked, my initial reaction, was &quot;What, how could he pick a planer over a jointer as the first tool&quot; but read your explanation and I have to completely agree with you. Same with the bandsaw. I have all of these major tools now, but since I am trying to focus on mostly handtool use I could live without any of my major tools except for the planer and bandsaw (although I love my cyclone dust collector as well).

Take care and please continue writing,
Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,</p>
<p>I love your blog. Your&#8217;s and the Woodworking Magazine blog are the only ones I read religiously. When I saw the first machine you picked, my initial reaction, was &#8220;What, how could he pick a planer over a jointer as the first tool&#8221; but read your explanation and I have to completely agree with you. Same with the bandsaw. I have all of these major tools now, but since I am trying to focus on mostly handtool use I could live without any of my major tools except for the planer and bandsaw (although I love my cyclone dust collector as well).</p>
<p>Take care and please continue writing,<br />
Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tico,

Yes, I did consider Laguna bandsaws.

Your link to the shooting board was incorrect so I deleted it. Here is the correct link, but it will need to be copied and pasted into the browser because the portion starting with the exclamation point does not get recognized as a URL:
http://www.craftsmanstudio.com/html_p/G!901.htm

That looks like a great design - I&#039;ve eyed it for a while and have considered purchasing it or, more likely, building one like it -when I &quot;get around to it&quot;. In addition to spreading blade wear, it produces a shearing cut which ought to help.

Thanks for pointing it out to readers!

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tico,</p>
<p>Yes, I did consider Laguna bandsaws.</p>
<p>Your link to the shooting board was incorrect so I deleted it. Here is the correct link, but it will need to be copied and pasted into the browser because the portion starting with the exclamation point does not get recognized as a URL:<br />
<a href="http://www.craftsmanstudio.com/html_p/G!901.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.craftsmanstudio.com/html_p/G!901.htm</a></p>
<p>That looks like a great design &#8211; I&#8217;ve eyed it for a while and have considered purchasing it or, more likely, building one like it -when I &#8220;get around to it&#8221;. In addition to spreading blade wear, it produces a shearing cut which ought to help.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing it out to readers!</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: tico vogt</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/04/28/machine-number-two-and-why/#comment-1152</link>
		<dc:creator>tico vogt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 12:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,

Did you give consideration to Laguna bandsaws while you were shopping for a new one?
Also, what do you think about ramped shooting boards? There is a picture of one here: 

What appeals to me is the fact that it utilizes the width of that cutting edge one has gone to such lengths to sharpen.

Ciao,

Tico</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,</p>
<p>Did you give consideration to Laguna bandsaws while you were shopping for a new one?<br />
Also, what do you think about ramped shooting boards? There is a picture of one here: </p>
<p>What appeals to me is the fact that it utilizes the width of that cutting edge one has gone to such lengths to sharpen.</p>
<p>Ciao,</p>
<p>Tico</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2009/04/28/machine-number-two-and-why/#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 01:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tico,

I use Shapton stones and the Shapton Glass Diamond Lapping Plate. Yes, the latter is big bucks but it works great. The Norton system is a very good, low cost system. Their flattening plate is only about $30 and would be much more convenient, as you suggest, than wet/dry paper, and, over time, would save money. 

If you&#039;re referring to the Powermatic 1791216K, that is about $1200. That&#039;s in the lower range of steel frame saws such as some Grizzly models and Steel City. You can get a Rikon 10-325 for about $850. The Popular Woodworking folks liked it. If you&#039;ve got more dough, consider a Minimax or Agazzani. Good luck.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tico,</p>
<p>I use Shapton stones and the Shapton Glass Diamond Lapping Plate. Yes, the latter is big bucks but it works great. The Norton system is a very good, low cost system. Their flattening plate is only about $30 and would be much more convenient, as you suggest, than wet/dry paper, and, over time, would save money. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re referring to the Powermatic 1791216K, that is about $1200. That&#8217;s in the lower range of steel frame saws such as some Grizzly models and Steel City. You can get a Rikon 10-325 for about $850. The Popular Woodworking folks liked it. If you&#8217;ve got more dough, consider a Minimax or Agazzani. Good luck.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: tico vogt</title>
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		<dc:creator>tico vogt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to the Tallow Tree jig. It looks really good. I use the Tormek truing tool and experience that it does leave a less than desirable surface.

I wonder if you have  used the Norton flattening stone. When I work on a Japanese water stone, I wedge it into a nice  wooden base and, to flatten, remove it and true it on wet/dry on a piece of glass. It would be advantageous to keep it in the base, run a flattening stone over it, and not have the wet pieces of paper to deal with. A small difference, but those little simplifications add up!

I have an old Rockwell 20&quot; bandsaw which I bought re-conditioned from Rudolph Bass in New Jersey twenty five years ago. The guide post has always been bent, slightly, cocking it at an angle which requires everything to be adjusted with each height change. Wow, it&#039;s become a Zen practice. It is a solid old machine, painted battleship gray, and has done its share of service, but, boy, am I ready for a shiny new one! I think about retrofiting Carter equipment on it and then I visit someplace, as I did recently at Woodshop Specialties in Rutland, Vermont, that sells new Powematic equipment already fitted out with those new Carter guides, easy access to the guides under the table, everything balanced and quiet, good dust collection, and I say, naw, time for a new saw, because not only does the bandsaw do all the things you outlined, but it is a pleasure to use.


Tico</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to the Tallow Tree jig. It looks really good. I use the Tormek truing tool and experience that it does leave a less than desirable surface.</p>
<p>I wonder if you have  used the Norton flattening stone. When I work on a Japanese water stone, I wedge it into a nice  wooden base and, to flatten, remove it and true it on wet/dry on a piece of glass. It would be advantageous to keep it in the base, run a flattening stone over it, and not have the wet pieces of paper to deal with. A small difference, but those little simplifications add up!</p>
<p>I have an old Rockwell 20&#8243; bandsaw which I bought re-conditioned from Rudolph Bass in New Jersey twenty five years ago. The guide post has always been bent, slightly, cocking it at an angle which requires everything to be adjusted with each height change. Wow, it&#8217;s become a Zen practice. It is a solid old machine, painted battleship gray, and has done its share of service, but, boy, am I ready for a shiny new one! I think about retrofiting Carter equipment on it and then I visit someplace, as I did recently at Woodshop Specialties in Rutland, Vermont, that sells new Powematic equipment already fitted out with those new Carter guides, easy access to the guides under the table, everything balanced and quiet, good dust collection, and I say, naw, time for a new saw, because not only does the bandsaw do all the things you outlined, but it is a pleasure to use.</p>
<p>Tico</p>
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